tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post4610594239019747577..comments2023-12-31T06:41:45.412-08:00Comments on Gary Robert Scott: Sanchez out at the Daily News*Gary Scotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05164233287474327699noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-52539124206629577292009-05-13T16:04:00.000-07:002009-05-13T16:04:00.000-07:00i am not going to make a number up as fact, but, j...i am not going to make a number up as fact, but, just a guess would be 10 percent or less. <br /><br />i would say with some level of confidence that they aren't making many sales calls now and as you or another poster said earlier, they will get what they will get being in los angeles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-11264649859053207012009-05-13T12:05:00.000-07:002009-05-13T12:05:00.000-07:00I won't pretend like I know anything about the spe...I won't pretend like I know anything about the specifics of LANG advertising. What percentage of the total ad revenues would you say come from the national ads? Do you really think they could lose them without completely imploding? That just seems counter to both their traditional business plan, and most industry standards.<br /><br />I would love to see them focus on local advertising - done right, you would not only have ads that people might be interested in, but you could probably make enough money to cover expenses. But is MediaNews capable of restructuring themselves to do it? I have serious doubts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-92021298348847232062009-05-13T10:47:00.000-07:002009-05-13T10:47:00.000-07:00you will find that national advrtising makes up a ...you will find that national advrtising makes up a small percentage of ad revenus. granted, any additional loss is painful, especially today, but, the growth needs to come from majors, local, and yes, even classified. national at best is a hit or miss and you cant depend on it. what you can depend on is the rest of the ad business if you go about mining it correctly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-23972540909882085442009-05-13T10:25:00.000-07:002009-05-13T10:25:00.000-07:00If your point is that LANG itself is losing ads fa...If your point is that LANG itself is losing ads faster than the average, I have no argument whatsoever. Their lack of strategy is painfully obvious at this point.<br /><br />My whole point is just that LANG can't afford to lose the DN, because that will sound the death knell on their national advertising in Southern California. They lose that, and it's game over for all of us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-10242869022006064052009-05-13T08:46:00.000-07:002009-05-13T08:46:00.000-07:00no arguement that la is important for national cli...no arguement that la is important for national clients. my point is that media buyers do not know newspaper markets...not all...but most have no clue in geography. and you are correct, of the lang papers, the dn is the bigger draw. the facts are that lang is down more in national advertising than their peers in part due to management of the category and the lack of sales ability. most clients would never buy redlands etc unless it is bundled, which it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-18584682642491475622009-05-13T08:29:00.000-07:002009-05-13T08:29:00.000-07:00...that's what I thought you meant.
And the coun......that's what I thought you meant.<br /><br /><br />And the counter argument to that is that those sales should count towards Woodland Hills anyways, because without them you wouldn't be selling national ads in the first place.<br /><br />Whether you sell the ad from Torrance, or Redlands, or wherever, the fact the ad is going to run in LA is a big part of the deal. That doesn't mean the DN is a better paper, it means LA is a more important city.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-66300128196773002452009-05-13T08:16:00.000-07:002009-05-13T08:16:00.000-07:00exactly what I am saying. Not lang sister papers, ...exactly what I am saying. Not lang sister papers, but papers in their same circulation size. The dn has been getting a few fewer percent of national ads than their peers. especially over the last 12 months or so. hard to get someone to buy if you aren't making a call.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-4369629290155553002009-05-12T23:10:00.000-07:002009-05-12T23:10:00.000-07:0010:54
Are you saying other papers sell more natio...10:54<br /><br />Are you saying other papers sell more national ads than the DN?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-63707752948800543972009-05-12T22:54:00.000-07:002009-05-12T22:54:00.000-07:00if los angeles was that critical, why is national ...if los angeles was that critical, why is national advertising in the toilet deeper that other competitors at lang? buyers want demos in a city and lang can't deliver those. make a sales call and then let's talk. They are dead and there is no comeback for national print advertising in lang. sorry, isn't going to be coming your way. shrinking circulation, difficult to buy, no sales force or talent, no strategy...future sounds bright doesn't it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-79756170290906830192009-05-12T22:29:00.000-07:002009-05-12T22:29:00.000-07:00"Use the code of ethics and give help when needed ..."Use the code of ethics and give help when needed but let's face it competition breeds great journalism, banning together in journalism doesn't."<br /><br /><br />No one said not to compete. I don't know a journalist working today that isn't highly competitive. <br /><br />Being competitive and trying to bring awards home to your paper isn't the same thing as wishing failure on sister papers - especially if your counterparts at those papers are victims of the same upper management jackoffs that ruined it for all of us.<br /><br />I want my paper to be the best in LANG. But I want it to be the best because of the journalism, not because the rest of the chain has gone out of business.<br /><br />We're all getting screwed, and the same people are responsible in every single instance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-8598292443812170942009-05-12T20:43:00.000-07:002009-05-12T20:43:00.000-07:00I'll say October 12, since they can't even go out ...I'll say October 12, since they can't even go out of business on time or smoothly.<br /><br />How about we all band together and get another job. There never was never a together since the beginning. Before and after Dean purchased the Daily News they thought their poop didn't stink and when ever cuts came down the pipe DN insisted it was made it lang wide. Now singleton is eating his young as they bleed-out.<br /> Use the code of ethics and give help when needed but let's face it competition breeds great journalism, banning together in journalism doesn't. <br /><br />Singleton is Un-AmericanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-21531329099047897192009-05-12T18:54:00.000-07:002009-05-12T18:54:00.000-07:00I'll take November and the points. It's sad to say...I'll take November and the points. It's sad to say, but management has sunk the ship with fewer life rafts in sight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-17389165947928933982009-05-12T15:28:00.000-07:002009-05-12T15:28:00.000-07:00It's Woodland Hills, but that's really not the poi...It's Woodland Hills, but that's really not the point. Van Nuys, just like Woodland Hills, is still part of Los Angeles. Media Buyers don't need to have a detailed familiarity with every district of the city, all they care about is that it's Los Angeles. And they most assuredly know where Los Angeles is. <br /><br />If there are no more national ads, then the point about LA being irrelevant is valid. I don't believe that argument however. Delivering access to the Los Angeles market is clearly a draw for advertising. The one thing LANG (and the rest of the online market) has failed to do is establish the value of their online audience to advertisers. This would not be hard to do, and I can't understand why they simply rely on a basic hit tally. Making online valuable would do a LOT to restore some weight to the budget.notanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-69300831792169871532009-05-12T13:29:00.000-07:002009-05-12T13:29:00.000-07:0010:34.... van nuys?? Last time i checked 21860 bur...10:34.... van nuys?? Last time i checked 21860 burbank blvd was in woodland hills. duh!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-58500903383973835972009-05-12T11:54:00.000-07:002009-05-12T11:54:00.000-07:00All ya'll editorial folks can talk about surviving...All ya'll editorial folks can talk about surviving the coming apocalypse, band together and sing Kumbayah.<br /><br />The Daily News has no functioning circulation sales department, no functioning circulation home delivery department, no transportation department, only 4 contractors attempting to deliver all the subscribers, collapsed negotiations with the LA Times to deliver.<br /><br />Customer cancellations are through the roof as a result of the abysmal service.<br /><br />The editorial problems are the least of the Daily News' problems. Soon no one will be left to read what you write.<br /><br />Say goodnight, Gracie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-116171082426619162009-05-12T10:34:00.000-07:002009-05-12T10:34:00.000-07:00Actually, it's in Van Nuys now. They needed to sel...Actually, it's in Van Nuys now. They needed to sell their Woodland Hills home for some quick cash and they moved into a rental. However, these will all fondly be remembered as the "good times." The next step involves running the whole operation out of a one-bed Motel 6 room along the interstate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-89034567979303943212009-05-12T10:25:00.000-07:002009-05-12T10:25:00.000-07:00ok, for you overly sensitive ones.
no harm in ban...ok, for you overly sensitive ones.<br /><br />no harm in banding together and if it works great. so far in hasn't.<br /><br />this newspaper group is dead man walking and there may not be enough jobs to absorb everyone, but, by all accounts it is a very hostile and dysfunctional workplace. I fully agree with you that the management group is piss poor and to a great extent responsible for the mess.<br /><br />and as far as the geography lesson, thanks. i know where the flagship is located, but, media buyers who do not reside in southern california do not. if you have ever talked with a sales person who has made national sales calls, that becomes very clear very quickly. media buyers do not now the geography of southern california.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-20392366045472103032009-05-12T09:11:00.000-07:002009-05-12T09:11:00.000-07:00I stopped reading 6:46 when they said no one knew ...I stopped reading 6:46 when they said no one knew where the DN was.<br /><br />...it's in Woodland Hills, a district of the city called "Los Angeles." Maybe you've heard of it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-77324642081723960672009-05-12T09:03:00.000-07:002009-05-12T09:03:00.000-07:00well said 9:02well said 9:02Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-11302659347950381732009-05-12T09:02:00.000-07:002009-05-12T09:02:00.000-07:00"this band together crap people from time to time ..."this band together crap people from time to time spout means s--t. no one does it, if they did , it wouldn't work. get a grip, it is a bad organization, run badly, makes piss poor decisions and is not going to survive the way it is today. and dont fool yourself, i doubt if many media buyers know where the daily news is, much less san gabriel or inland.<br /><br />anyone who can take a buyout should, it is a crappy place to work as illustrated by people resigning by telephone."<br /><br />It is most definitely NOT crap. Aside from the fact that there simply aren't enough jobs to absorb everyone in the industry, there are plenty of us who don't want to get out, and shouldn't be forced out just because the executives are too stupid and venal to actually invest in a viable long term strategy.<br /><br />If you want out and can get out, then by all means do so. But those of us that want to stay and try to make this work have to stick together. We may or may not succeed by working together, but we'll surely fail if we allow ourselves to be distracted into fighting with each other.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-23373789110928792592009-05-12T07:53:00.000-07:002009-05-12T07:53:00.000-07:009:00...do you have a crystal ball? don't be silly....9:00...do you have a crystal ball? don't be silly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-30336992983849770192009-05-12T06:46:00.000-07:002009-05-12T06:46:00.000-07:00this band together crap people from time to time s...this band together crap people from time to time spout means s--t. no one does it, if they did , it wouldn't work. get a grip, it is a bad organization, run badly, makes piss poor decisions and is not going to survive the way it is today. and dont fool yourself, i doubt if many media buyers know where the daily news is, much less san gabriel or inland.<br /><br />anyone who can take a buyout should, it is a crappy place to work as illustrated by people resigning by telephone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-89161608016098669152009-05-11T22:24:00.001-07:002009-05-11T22:24:00.001-07:00no one held a gun to his head and made him take th...no one held a gun to his head and made him take the buyout, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-6052538186558389162009-05-11T22:24:00.000-07:002009-05-11T22:24:00.000-07:00you guys, LANG is LANG. you are all in this togeth...you guys, LANG is LANG. you are all in this together. all for one, one for all. if medianews goes down, you ALL do. you need to band together and not all this hatred...my dad is stronger than your dad rhetoric.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-55910912114235107632009-05-11T22:22:00.000-07:002009-05-11T22:22:00.000-07:00the san gabers and rest of the sisters rely on the...the san gabers and rest of the sisters rely on the DN for the name and noteriety. no one back east has heard of inland valley bulletin or san gabe tribune. heck, they prolly don't even know where it is.newsjunkienoreply@blogger.com