tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post279143508331554982..comments2023-12-31T06:41:45.412-08:00Comments on Gary Robert Scott: Daily News to cut againGary Scotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05164233287474327699noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-21996630254241641112009-02-18T10:18:00.000-08:002009-02-18T10:18:00.000-08:00Don't worry folks, the high level meetings taking ...Don't worry folks, the high level meetings taking place now over the next couple of days will come up with all the solutions for medianews' ills. I'm sure the brain power in that room will fix all the wrongs that the brain power in the room caused over the last year. It sure gives me a high level of confidence. Maybe they could carve out a little time to tackle world peace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-87371235012673824432009-02-17T22:59:00.000-08:002009-02-17T22:59:00.000-08:00The union issue is bringing out a lot of ugliness ...The union issue is bringing out a lot of ugliness in everybody. If you're not a union fan, then you're not a union fan.<BR/><BR/>I wasn't either. Until I was hacked with no notice and a pittance for compensation. I likely would not have been given that compensation if it had not been made acceptable by the unions. These "teamsters" these “bastards” that don't yield the power some in this message or demand of them.<BR/><BR/>But my opinion is that they're small efforts are more than what the majority of us are doing.<BR/><BR/>And to hell with some of you who are "Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps and find another job," or “don’t waste your energy on this … spend it on your resume…”<BR/><BR/>A few of us were stupid enough (yeah stupid MUST be the word) to believe we would spend the rest of our professional lives as journalists. Some people enjoy journalism.<BR/><BR/>And some of us believed it when our fearless journalism leaders told us our papers were making progress on the transition to the Internet. We knew it wasn’t the great progress they claimed to be making but we thought it was some kind of progress. <BR/><BR/>The unions may not have all your answers but they provide representation to some of us, at least those of us who are (or were) tired of getting shit on.<BR/><BR/>But if you're not a union fan, then you're not a union fan. Pretend those pro-union messages are for those, what did someone call them, unpopular posers?<BR/><BR/>And to those pro-union people., try not to be as ugly as the others. Being jerks is not helpingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-5430502529854062852009-02-17T16:09:00.000-08:002009-02-17T16:09:00.000-08:00Folks, is the guild as effective as the pressmans ...Folks, is the guild as effective as the pressmans union that did such a stellar job in preventing the closing of two printing plants at Lang within the past couple of years?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-65344939348947850832009-02-17T13:49:00.000-08:002009-02-17T13:49:00.000-08:00If the union is so harmless and irrelevant, why is...If the union is so harmless and irrelevant, why is MediaNews so scared of them? Do you have any idea how much time, money, and effort they spend keeping the union out of their other newsrooms?<BR/><BR/>They're scared shitless of the Guild. That's fact.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-48544931811331323802009-02-17T13:15:00.000-08:002009-02-17T13:15:00.000-08:00The guild is a harmless and irrelevant cult, absor...The guild is a harmless and irrelevant cult, absorbed in its quirks and rituals, its rhetoric of being a factor even as the facts clearly show, it ain't. And even if it were or had been, it's pointless now, given the decline of newspaper industry and exit of owners.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-88255521701808965012009-02-17T10:25:00.000-08:002009-02-17T10:25:00.000-08:00You make a lot of assumptions about what the union...You make a lot of assumptions about what the union is and isn't doing. <BR/><BR/>Most of them are wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-52509660957052424422009-02-17T10:24:00.000-08:002009-02-17T10:24:00.000-08:00More of this Teamsters crap? Gimme a break. Aren't...More of this Teamsters crap? Gimme a break. Aren't the teamsters getting the everloving hell kicked out of them by Zell right now? <BR/><BR/>As far as I know, the ILWU and the Guild are on good terms, and if you can't see why there's a difference between individual newspapers that each have their own contract negotiated out over decades of bargaining, and a nationwide contract with a warehousing company, then methinks the problem might be that you're an idiot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-12274492705027313242009-02-17T09:49:00.000-08:002009-02-17T09:49:00.000-08:00as they say in poker, the employees are all in and...as they say in poker, the employees are all in and hold a losing hand. Medianews is all in and holds no hand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-7479934955173517832009-02-17T06:41:00.000-08:002009-02-17T06:41:00.000-08:00sitting around waiting on the union doesn't seem t...sitting around waiting on the union doesn't seem to be working and if you think the economy is going to turn around any time soon, forget it.<BR/><BR/>At least your union should be arguing that those who take furloughs will get the money back at some point with a bonus. <BR/><BR/>While you are out "sick" you could be looking for another job.<BR/><BR/>Of course you cant bully dean into submission, but he sure the hell can bully you guys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-4970779156598263382009-02-17T04:34:00.000-08:002009-02-17T04:34:00.000-08:00To anon at 8:08...you aren't winning!To anon at 8:08...you aren't winning!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-85207259843115694772009-02-16T23:09:00.000-08:002009-02-16T23:09:00.000-08:00Change the Newspaper Guild Model Now !! Lets be H...Change the Newspaper Guild Model Now !! <BR/><BR/>Lets be Honest even if everyone does " mobilize " the union is the one to blame for all the shitty contracts they sign and the fact that they separate contracts and don't make one big one is a joke. The ILWU fights for workers from the costly West Coast to the Delta, to the East coast, no matter the cost of living. The all walk out together.<BR/><BR/> Bottom line is that for the past 15 years it has let over 17,000 newspaper jobs slip away, the Newspaper Guild has failed miserably. They should have seen this coming and fought this early. But no they have cast off journalist or office secretaries running the show. <BR/><BR/>TNG President Bernie Lunzer invisible !!!! he should be on the loading docks yelling a t the top of his lungs!!!!!! all I hear and have heard from both Lunzer and former TNG Prez Linda Foley is crickets.<BR/><BR/> I think TNG hs thier head so far up Obama's ass the can't hear our cries for help.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-51038784804548517142009-02-16T21:57:00.000-08:002009-02-16T21:57:00.000-08:00well, certainly not by shaking in your boots like ...well, certainly not by shaking in your boots like you guys are. too afraid to take action. too afraid to call out sick. too afraid. of what? you will lose your job anyways? <BR/><BR/>for gawds sakes, MOBILIZE!!!!<BR/><BR/>Newspaper reporters, editors, press people ... they should be taking a few tips from the Teamsters. MOBILIZE! <BR/><BR/>Why aren't newspaper staffs and unions fighting mad?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-51433881980571503622009-02-16T20:08:00.000-08:002009-02-16T20:08:00.000-08:00I suspect someone is posting this sickout nonsense...I suspect someone is posting this sickout nonsense over and over again to try and fake popularity...<BR/><BR/>Here's a few clarifications for you:<BR/><BR/><I>Whine, whine, whine. You people do nothing but whine. Seriously. When a guys suggests you stage a sickout, you all tremble with fear of losing your job...really? I bet you must feel pretty safe now, huh? </I><BR/><BR/>Thanks again for calling us whiners. Are you still having trouble figuring out why we don't support you?<BR/><BR/><I>At the very least you could have stuck it to the man ONCE in you lifetimes.</I><BR/><BR/>Grow up already. I don't care about sticking it to the man.<BR/><BR/><I>Even if the sickout was not the best way to go, the idea that it could have cost you your job makes no sense.<BR/><BR/>Your jobs are in danger if you don't take a stand and do nothing, the layoffs have not stopped.</I><BR/><BR/>Impending doom in the future beats certain doom today. I'd rather focus on finding a better job, than waste time pissing up a hill so you can feel like a stud.<BR/><BR/><I>Yes, your jobs are in danger if you do something, but at least it may bring some real attention to this plight and force some of these idiots in management to deal with the reality of trying to get a paper out without you guys.</I><BR/><BR/>You think there's no attention to what's going on? People know, and some of us are already working on the problem. The difference is, we're trying to actually make a difference, not just bully Dean into submission. Go look at the history of MediaNews and see how well that's worked out in the past. It hasn't. Ever.<BR/><BR/>There's a right way to get things done, and a wrong way. You don't win a fight against a stronger opponent by standing up and going toe-to-toe. You win by playing smart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-59170850014836826662009-02-16T19:50:00.000-08:002009-02-16T19:50:00.000-08:00very good point..why tremble and be so darn afraid...very good point..why tremble and be so darn afraid folks? wake up!!!! you're getting screwed anyways. so why not take a stand? You you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. You guys are getting played like a violin. Until you speak up, you are going to continue to get taken advantage of and screwed. More layoffs are on their way. Not to mention the invasion soon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-34543547316771016312009-02-16T19:37:00.000-08:002009-02-16T19:37:00.000-08:00To the asswipe who posted: You're weak because you...To the asswipe who posted: <BR/><BR/><I>You're weak because you're weak.</I><BR/><BR/>February 14, 2009 6:26 PM<BR/><BR/>Do NOT adopt Joe Hill's name in vain, you PoS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-11910442794702401602009-02-16T18:57:00.000-08:002009-02-16T18:57:00.000-08:00Even if the sickout was not the best way to go, th...Even if the sickout was not the best way to go, the idea that it could have cost you your job makes no sense.<BR/><BR/>Your jobs are in danger if you don't take a stand and do nothing, the layoffs have not stopped.<BR/><BR/>Yes, your jobs are in danger if you do something, but at least it may bring some real attention to this plight and force some of these idiots in management to deal with the reality of trying to get a paper out without you guys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-32401246634141596932009-02-16T17:49:00.000-08:002009-02-16T17:49:00.000-08:00Whine, whine, whine. You people do nothing but whi...Whine, whine, whine. You people do nothing but whine. Seriously. When a guys suggests you stage a sickout, you all tremble with fear of losing your job...really? I bet you must feel pretty safe now, huh? At the very least you could have stuck it to the man ONCE in you lifetimes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-72470143071700793072009-02-16T14:42:00.000-08:002009-02-16T14:42:00.000-08:00Anon at 9:15--your use of the words "they" when yo...<I>Anon at 9:15--your use of the words "they" when you talk about failure and "our" when you talk about the return to print is interesting. Way to go, team player.</I><BR/><BR/>If you want to refute someone, but the best you can come up with is some BS junior-Freud word game horseshit, then you should probably STFU. <BR/><BR/>I'm not the guy, but I doubt he's all that stunned by your biting critique. And I doubt the rest of us are either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-66214939562567916042009-02-16T07:49:00.000-08:002009-02-16T07:49:00.000-08:00dude, you have good points but your spelling and g...dude, you have good points but your spelling and grammar is atrocious. hope you don't work for LANG.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-32479807093007877162009-02-16T05:51:00.000-08:002009-02-16T05:51:00.000-08:00RE: "I wonder what would happen if all the L...RE: "I wonder what would happen if all the LANG copy editors just said, "Uh-uh, no way, nada, we're not going to San Gabe"? Would they fire everyone? "<BR/><BR/>Ponder this one: The Unesys system they use has to be learned by any one coming in new. It take training for that so if all of you don't go, the paper's wont come out at least for a few days until they trained new ones.<BR/><BR/>Ponder this one too: With all those poeple moving to san gab and doing pages for papers they dont know, have you noticed all the mispellings and errors that a real local person would catch><BR/><BR/>Ponder this one three: All you who are laid off and are told you'll get your final payments of accreud vacation and severance package in two week installments, the lay said you have to get paid all the day you are terminated or they owe you a days salary for each day they are late with making your finalpayment. so if you guys were told you got the six-week severance package in two week intervals, youhave to be paid an additional day of salary for all those days they did not give you all the money owed to you. labor code 201, 202, 203 and our union should know that you dumies. even if you quit and give them three days notice, they have to pay you everything on your last day. california labor codes dummys. and they have to post the pay days and times very visibly at work too and they are breking the law.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-39562980410498358572009-02-15T21:12:00.000-08:002009-02-15T21:12:00.000-08:00Anon 8:32 (or management stooge) --Ridiculing some...Anon 8:32 (or management stooge) --<BR/><BR/>Ridiculing someone for not being a team player is so far beyond decency these days.<BR/><BR/>If we were on a "team," we'd have some chance to impact policy.<BR/><BR/>Put it this way. If LANG is a team, we aren't the players. We're the jockstraps.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-13916462237512307732009-02-15T20:32:00.000-08:002009-02-15T20:32:00.000-08:00Anon at 9:15--your use of the words "they" when yo...Anon at 9:15--your use of the words "they" when you talk about failure and "our" when you talk about the return to print is interesting. Way to go, team player.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-12389590584297309432009-02-15T14:25:00.000-08:002009-02-15T14:25:00.000-08:00any current san gabers out there? who are not disg...any current san gabers out there? who are not disgruntled? can u shed light on how the copy desk consolidation is going?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-2100392702264259362009-02-15T09:51:00.000-08:002009-02-15T09:51:00.000-08:00Didn't old Deano come out with some cock and bull ...Didn't old Deano come out with some cock and bull note to employees a little over a year ago that was very long winded and mostly forgetable? But, he did talk about the business being a percent of internet, a percent of speciality publications and a percent of print. Wonder how that looks now? I can tell you it has been a large failure in Langland. There isn't a speciality publication that has been launched that has made sense or any real money, most of the online offerings are in the toilet, you still can't place an ad on line through their website with any ease, and their print business has gone south like most others. So much for vision, direction and leadership. What next, a return to our roots and be the best in print...now that's and idea!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6514745.post-20761007466905753062009-02-15T05:42:00.000-08:002009-02-15T05:42:00.000-08:00How can you expect any constructive answers when t...How can you expect any constructive answers when there is zero communication to employees. Hell, the owners don't have a clue what they will do from one minute to the next, what answers are you looking for?<BR/><BR/>If they go BK the papers may still operate as they are with even fewer employees. They could sell or close those under water which they should have done a long time ago. As mentioned months ago, why kill those with a decent margin to prop up those who are doomed...like the daily news etc?<BR/>Those in power will make the decision at the time that suits them best, not you.<BR/>As far as bashing, there has been some solid suggestions in this blog over the past few months. And, if you are waiting for some leadership from this management group, you will continue to wait and be disappointed. They truly don't have a clue on how to communicate, run a newspaper, and sell advertising. But, to their credit, they can spend hours and bad forecasting that is never accurate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com